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Re: T77W968 DW5821e and T-Mobile One/Magenta plan, not compatible?

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Yipzy wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:51 am That is correct. I personally attached 4 antennas to it and the speed made no difference at all compare to my EM20-G just to confirm what I already knew looking through the CA combos.
Since you have both EM20-G and LM960 - (not sure of your carrier). What is your opinion of the better modem?
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Re: T77W968 DW5821e and T-Mobile One/Magenta plan, not compatible?

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EM20-G definitely. It has more CA combos and more open so you could change some settings via AT commands whereas LM960A18 is more locked down and has fewer CA combos. Unless you really need band 71 that will significantly increase your output, otherwise I wouldn't even get it and go with EM20-G. I was able to get EM20-G to connect and use 4CA (66+66+2+13) vs 3CA (66+66+2 or 66+66+13) on my LM960A18 for Verizon on the same tower.
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Yipzy wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:55 pm EM20-G definitely. It has more CA combos and more open so you could change some settings via AT commands whereas LM960A18 is more locked down and has fewer CA combos. Unless you really need band 71 that will significantly increase your output, otherwise I wouldn't even get it and go with EM20-G. I was able to get EM20-G to connect and use 4CA (66+66+2+13) vs 3CA (66+66+2 or 66+66+13) on my LM960A18 for Verizon on the same tower.
Good to know. I use Sprint and it seems LM960 has better support for B25 and B41. The Fibocom L860-GL would have been ideal but sadly no linux driver support for the PCIe interface.

I like the fact the EM20-G is more open and hate LM960 is locked down and I hope it doesn't bite me later on when I need to change IMEI etc. if I go with it.
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OptimusPrime wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:05 pm Good to know. I use Sprint and it seems LM960 has better support for B25 and B41. The Fibocom L860-GL would have been ideal but sadly no linux driver support for the PCIe interface.

I like the fact the EM20-G is more open and hate LM960 is locked down and I hope it doesn't bite me later on when I need to change IMEI etc. if I got with it.
I wouldn't put too much emphasis on B25 and it hasn't been implemented in my area for Sprint for 4CA (B25+3xB41 with no MIMO support on LM960A18. But 3CA B41(20Mhz each) is good enough with 4X4 MIMO support. You probably will get 10-20mbps DL extra speed with B25 unless you are going for the upload speed which helps a lot with B25 because Sprint's upload speed is abysmal. I'll let you compare the CA combos for both modems.

LM960A18

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 UL_5B UL_41C
 
[] denotes 4x4 MIMO support for LM960A18

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Number of combos: 575
Max streams per combo: 20
"How to interpret the output:

The Carrier Aggregation Combos are written in a format similar to that used by Qualcomm in the carrier_policy.xml.
For each combo there is a list of bands separated by a dash.
For each band the first number indicates the lte band, the first letter the Bandwidth Class DL, the second number the Supported MIMO Capability DL, the second letter the Bandwidth Class UL (if absent this band is not used for UL). At the end of each combo there is a number indicating the maximum number of DL streams and a possible asterisk which if present indicates the presence of Upload Carrier Aggregation."
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Re: T77W968 DW5821e and T-Mobile One/Magenta plan, not compatible?

Post by OptimusPrime »

Thank you...I was trying to find this info for EM20-G. I heard that this module does not have production modules, just engineering samples and they will not make production ones. Any idea what that means?
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Re: T77W968 DW5821e and T-Mobile One/Magenta plan, not compatible?

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Get it while you still can if you are set on it. They are probably focusing on their 5G cards and canned this project. Maybe it has to due with the profitability? Who knows? Everything is removed on their site about this card last I read.
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Re: T77W968 DW5821e and T-Mobile One/Magenta plan, not compatible?

Post by jstever8 »

Yipzy wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:21 pm But my way of getting that modem to work was to flash in between each iteration of the firmware and find the one that worked pretty much.
Any chance you know which firmware you flashed that worked and have a copy of the exe? I have a few of these modules that are locked by Dell and I believe it's the same issue you had. In the tool you reference, the last commands (Unlock_Cust_Kit & Lock_Cust_Kit) are for "Cust Kit" which is a tool I found that is supposed to enable these radios. Only issue is that it is locked to specific Dell computers that are supposed to have this module installed.

https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us ... erid=100fv
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Re: T77W968 DW5821e and T-Mobile One/Magenta plan, not compatible?

Post by matrx10503 »

I can officially say I am running a EA8500+T77W968 (T77W968.F1.0.0.3.5.AT f/w for reference)+T-Mo setup. I've been slowing getting things in the mail.
So far, speeds have doubled, but I have not set any custom band lock settings, just running as I got it. From ~40mbps (mc7455 card, bandlocked) to ~80mbps.
Not going to change anything until next week, give it a few days. Then i'll get to tweaking to get the best speeds I can possible. (I don't have 4x4 enabled yet, if I get 100mb+ with a little bandlocking, i'm going to leave good enough alone and leave it with my 2 external antennas..
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